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>> defiant and in jail as a kentucky county clerk sits behind bars for not handing out marriage licenses. her lawyer claims that these new marriage license without her signature are not legal. he joins us live. >> plus did el chapo's son accidentally tell where his father is. he might have made as about mistake on social media. you're in the cnn newsroom. we are so happy to have you here. welcome, everybody. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. 10:00 here on the east coast, 7:00 out west. >> we want to begin at a train station in austria. show you the newest pictures we're getting in where thousands of refugees are scrambling to get on trains, trains that will take them to germany. people are in vienna and donating train tickets to these folks. they have been moved by their tragic plight. they arrived in austria this
morning after hungarian authorities bussed them over when they started to walk, yes walk to germany from budapest. >> some progress after the desperate situation over the past few days and weeks waiting for several days at a budapest train station. hungarian authorities refused to let them go without the proper documents. these refugees are some of the thousands, tens of thousands streaming into europe from conflict zones every day. we go to the train station in austria. it looks as if the crowd has thinned out a bit there over the past two hours. what your seeing there, fred? >> reporter: well the crowd hasn't really thinned out but it's waves that come and go. what happens more refugees go across the border from hungary into austria and then come here. right now you can see more buses are arriving right now with additional refugees. so in order for there not to be a major bottleneck, you can see the lollipop allocation waving. actually moving as the refugees
are waving to the locals here. there's been a massive donations drive that started early this morning because it was on short notice that people realized refugees were coming here. they donated water, food, medication. they set up a center here where the refugees can get clothing. it has been amazing to see the lollipop allocation here really step up and welcome these people. but it hasn't really thinned out, it's waves that come and go. what authorities are doing is they it a for people to come across the border. the train station is pretty small. they don't want too many people here at the same time. so they keep them in a larger holding area then bring them here where they can get on trains fairly quickly and then move them over further into austria and then many of them, of course, ultimately into germany where many of them want to go. we spoke to so many people especially from syria but also from afghanistan, from other
places and they are really, really emotionally drained. they are tired. exhausted. they are very, very happy to finally be here, victor. >> i wonder if you can take us into maybe one of these exchanges. we see the local people there who wave and applaud as the buses arrive. give us an idea of what that, that relationship is there once the people get off the buses and the austrian people are waiting for them. >> reporter: yeah. we can see these exchanges happening right here. they are waiting right now for people to get off the bus. it looks as though it's taking a little bit. basically what happens you can see here the lollipop allocation is lining up, they are already getting the food and water ready, bananas right there, more water. people standing there with cookies for the children. in order for things not to get out of hand or for people to, you know, try to get off too quickly they tell them exactly what's going on, information, of
course, is something that's very important. then they allow them to come off. we have a special situation here at the moment because as these people get off either they can stay here at the train station, but there is also a train that is already waiting for them to take them further on. you can see the first people are getting off, they are being greeted, and as you can hear a little bit some applause coming from the local population. something that these people have been needing to hear after the very difficult times that many of them had on the hungarian side of the border. you can see these folks here, the local folks from the town spring into action. there's a lot of people that get off here. they made these long treks with their babies, with their families. you see one gentleman there who is getting cookies right now who has a little baby right there on his arm.
has a little baby there, grabbing the cookies. the kind of emotional scenes we've been seeing a lot of here as these people come off this bus, and i have seen so many bus loads being brought here and one of the things that's really good is that the process that is in place here by the austrian authorities is one that really, ream works very well. they get the people off the buses fairly quickly and make sure they don't wait too long for trains to come. the weather isn't that good. it's fairly cold. you see another family coming in and receiving some grapes, some cookie, some water as well. it's fairly cold for many people here because the weather isn't very good here in austria. they don't want them waiting out in the open for too long. they want to make sure they have at best a train ready to make sure that these folks can get on something as fast as possible, victor. >> fred, i wonder and hoping language here isn't too great of a barrier, is it possible you
can grab someone or speak to someone who can tell us about why they are there? maybe why the local people came there or anyone you can grab, actually. >> reporter: we can try to get a little closer here. let's see what we can do here. get in. hello, you speak english? >> yes. we're on tv, by the way. you're doing great things for the people here. why did you decide to come here? >> because we have to. >> because it's the government doesn't do anything, we have to. >> the austrian government. or hungary. >> european union, really is nothing. >> it's amazing what people have been doing here, how much stuff they have been bringing. no.
>> heart warming scene there. fred reporting from the train station where many of these refugees will then get on to trains and head on to vienna. we know they have been hungry. they are tired. for the first time in this journey they are in a place where obviously they are welcomed. they have been shunned and rejected along this path for some time now. >> really showing some good humanity. as opposed to southeast things we've seen this week, you know, showing that if there are some people who will not step up there are others who have the courage to do so. >> we know that many of these people are getting on to the train, have gone vienna and that's the next stop in our coverage. we have melissa fleming, the spokesperson for the united nations high commission for refugees at that train station in vienna. give us an idea, if you can as we continue to look at pictures here from this train station.
what's the scene in vienna? >> similar to what fred was describing. probably as many volunteers here as refugees and there are hundreds of refugees arriving here on trains. it's incredible. this is a station where you can buy them train tickets. there are people handing out cigarettes, diaper, bananas. little cars so children have something to play with. stuffed animals. anything people can think of. some of it is really well organized by faith-based groups. others are just individual people coming to the station with bags of things to giveaway. so the welcome is incredible. and the refugees are visibly moved by this. >> melissa, let me ask you a question about logistics and resources. we know tens of thousands of refugees made their way to germany this year. hundreds thousands more expected.
they will welcome hundreds thousands more. does germany have the resources? where are these people going? >> what we're saying is europe has the resources. if europe would collectively get-together. it's not right that countries like germany and sweden, the two that are taking the most refugees, almost 75%, this can't go on this way. austria where we are right now proportioned with population is taking in huge numbers and yet other countries in europe are taking in very little. and countries like italy who are at shores of europe at the front lines, are receiving thousands and how to sands of people every day. i heard last night 4,000 arrived to greece. they are coming in to the island and greece is completely overwhelmed. europe has to come together and we've proposed plans to have it
resolved. the continent that has the wealth, infrastructure, just needs the political will to resolve this. >> melissa, one is the one or two things that these people need most? we had seen pictures earlier of people who needed some medical attention. are you finding that as people deboard these buses? >> yeah. i mean definitely there are people who need medical attention. i'm seeing more people who are just visibly exhausted. they are, however, so relieved because they were trekking down the highway from budapest for hours towards austria. also the weather isn't that good. they are cold. some of them came with just flip flops, there's rows and rows of shoes they can choose from. i think they feel actually now we finally made it.
>> melissa fleming there with the high commission of refugees with the united nations. it's important to remember, though, although we're seeing these thousands of people and this video from the train station in austria where many of the people who were walking being bussed to and heading to vienna there are still people who are waiting to get to the border. i mean this has not been solved wholly. they still have to come up with a system that gets people to that point. you see the numbers of refugees in that region. millions there you see internationally displaced, more than 7.6 million and we learned recently that in jordan more than 200,000 syrian refugees they stopped receiving their vital needs, food from the world food program, so as melissa articulated there needs to be a system that supports these people.
we know that there are talks, but still some contention on how to get that done. >> right. she made a very good point, it's not just germany, it's not just, you know, greece that doesn't have resources. it is a collective effort of the eu and many different countries to come together and make this happen and that's what they are working towards now. we know they are getting together again shortly. their leaders to figure out how to deal with this crisis and how to take care of these people. we'll continue obviously to follow this, this morning. but also some other news we've been watching today is this kentucky clerk who is still in jail this morning for refusing to give out marriage licenses. how long can this legal fight last? we'll talk to her attorney next. >> and supporters of same-sex marriage and religious rights activists, both sides you see here have been stating their cases in front of the courthouse in kentucky. later in the show i'll talk to the founder of the gay christian network. should the freedom of marriage
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kim davis spending her second straight morning in jail this holiday weekend being held in contempt of court for refusing to handout marriage licenses to same-sex couples. obviously in defiance of the law. despite her objections five of her sex deputies did, in fact, handout marriage licenses yesterday to both gay and straight couples. davis says that paper work is worthless without her name and signature. in the meantime she's had some high-profile backers taking up her cause. republican presidential candidate ted cruz, scott walker, bobby jindal. mike huckabee plans to visit her tuesday. let's talk with the attorney for the jailed kim davis. in an interview i want to read this to you with the moorehead news following her election davis promised to quote, be a good steward of your tack dollars and follow the statutes of this office to the letter. she said specifically to the
office not to her personal beliefs. in some way is she not breaking that oath? >> no, she's not. in fact, she is doing her good job by tend of the year she'll return $1.5 million in savings to the county because of the efficiency of the office she's running. when she ran for office, there was no such thing as same-sex marriage, 5-4 opinion wasn't until months after that and she couldn't envision that might be something that she would encounter. in fact, she worked in this clerk's office for 27 years and then when her mother retired after 40 years of being the clerk, she ran for office and she ran in the democratic primary, won there and won against the republican contender and she's doing what the people want. she is providing good service. but then on june 26th just about two months ago 5-4 decision came down from the supreme court and that's what ultimately start this controversy. two months later now she's
sitting in jail. she shouldn't be there. she's there as a prisoner if you will of her conscience. she won't resign because she wants to serve the people. if they change their mind they can make that decision but they want her to be there. she's going to serve them. on the other hand she can't violate her conscience. what the issue is she can't issue a same-sex marriage license under her name and authority to authorize a marriage that is contrary to her christian conviction. so she's asked for a simple accommodation. that accommodation has been requested by the other clerks of kentucky, many of them, in fact the majority of them remove their names and authority from the certificate. so that it doesn't come from the authority and under the name of the clerk. but it could come from the commonwealth of kentucky, for example and they just process it like they do a lien or a deed. >> how would that change take
effect. the legislature isn't back until january to make any changes. >> well, the governor has already amended the marriage certificates after the june 26th hearing. the ruling by the supreme court. and the governor can do this again. we've asked the governor to do so. but he has refused to do so. they could call a special session but that hasn't happened. there's a number of easy fixes. teen president of the senate asked the judge to delay this hearing because he says the marriage laws in kentucky are shredded and the general assembly needs to come back and reconvene. it's not just the issue of same-sex marriage but when this opinion came down it affects a lot of the kentucky marriage and domestic laws so the president of the senate issue ad brief saying don't proceed with this contempt hearing, give the general assembly time. instead of jailing kim davis who is doing her job and is someone who should have her conscience
accommodated the judge could have toward certificates to be changed, the governor could have order the certificates to be changed, the legislature could have acted. >> let me ask you, first of all, we have to be brief here, one, how long is she prepared to stay in jail for this and two we know she's going to get a visit from former governor mike huckabee on tuesday. what does she want to say to him? >> well, you know, i visited her and what she said to me when i wanted to encourage her, she encouraged me. she said all is well. i'm sure she will encourage anyone. she's a very amazing woman. but she's willing to continue to be in this position, and not violate her conscience so however long that means she has to be jailed, she's prepared for this consequence. she's prepared for whatever consequences are ahead. one thing she cannot do is violate her conscience.
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this morning thousands, yes thousands of refugees are getting on trains in austria to get to germany. here are some of the latest pictures we're getting in this morning. they are fatigued. they are hungry. yet here they are. they are greeted with cheers from austrians who are trying to them. the refugees are relieved they are getting out of hungary at this point. they were stuck there at a train station for days not being allowed to leave the country because they didn't have adequate paper work. it looks like they will go to their final destination, some of them to germany. we have people all along the routes covering this and we'll keep you informed. >> we'll check back later this morning. let's go to politics and hillary clinton, campaign in new hampshire this morning. she will likely be asked new questions about her e-mail server controversy. an official in the clinton campaign revealed to "the washington post" and cnn has confirmed the clinton family
personally paid a state department staffer to maintain her private serve. along with new hampshire, clinton will head to iowa tomorrow where her lead has slipped to 7%. bernie sanders up to 30% in the latest "des moines register" poll. let's talk with ron brownstein. there's been so much attention paid to national numbers because of the debates but you wrote this recently. you wrote the only reliable formula for success has been to win the iowa caucus, new hampshire primary or both and then ride a wave of momentum into the large states that follow. i got to ask you to explain for people, santorum has been to nearly all the 99 counties in iowa. low single digits. governor christie has moved to new hampshire, low single digits. you got donald trump flying in and out for rallies just for that afternoon and he's out and
he's ahead of all of them. >> right. >> explain. >> we keep waiting for the year where all of the old rules no longer apply and this might be that year. but the fact is that we've had the modern primary system since 1972 and over that period the republicans have never nominated anyone in a contested race who didn't win either iowa or new hampshire one of the first two states and the democrats have only twice nominated someone who did not win iowa and new hampshire and one of them was bill clinton in 1992 in a year where other candidates wrote off iowa. what that tells you is that once this starts, once people actually vote, the dynamic can change very quickly and voters are very reluctant to cast ballots for candidates who they don't think can win. historically three things force candidates out of a race. ran out of money, ran out of media attention, ran out of credibility with the voters. first two don't matter any more.
we're covering this race very intently. big open question is whether voters are going to be willing to vote for people who don't win in iowa and new hampshire and don't establish that credibility right away. it could change. the pattern has been very different. >> over the last four decades there's never been a primary with 17 candidates running. so essentially someone could win the caucuses or the primary with a relatively small percentage. in new hampshire you can do it in single digit if all 17 are in. how long can one stay in considering that the winner may only have 15, 18, 20%? >> right. it's a great question. first of all the race that was most like this in terms of the number of candidates was 1976 democratic race which was the only one that had a comparable number i think it was 13 or 14 candidates and that, in fact, was a very different pattern. jimmy carter was the nominee. he came in second in new hampshire and iowa. but candidates emerged all
through the process even late. there are those who think we can see something like that again this year. i think the critical question remains as i said money and attention are going to be there for lots of candidates for a long time. the debates are enormous new factor. the question is will voters consider you viable if you don't win early. best recent example was rudy giuliani in 2008. in 2007 he was higher in the national polls than donald trump is now. he didn't win in new hampshire and iowa. he put all his eggs in florida. by the time he got there voters didn't consider him viable and he crashed and burned after being at 50%. >> we know there are so many candidates stake being their entire campaign on winning either iowa or new hampshire. essentially as i said moving to those states for next five months. ron brownstein good to have you back. >> thank you. authorities may be a step
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underground tunnel back in july. ripe $5 million reward and small army of investigators so far has not been enough to capture the world's most notorious drug lord. is this the newest photo of one of the world's most wanted fugitives? joaquin "el chapo" guzman's son would like the world to think so. this week posted on a twitter page believed to belong to the son of the drug cartel kingpin this caption -- comfortable here blanked with two unidentified men whose faces are covered by oversize emogis. it shows the 29-year-old sitting at a restaurant with a man whose mustache resembles that of his father. it's clear from some of the comments many hope it is him. these men give more to mexico than our rotten government one
user writes. another writes be safe, my hero. the location tag on the photo says costa rica. cnn contacted costa rican authorities and said we're aware of the picture that surfaced but the costa rica they are talking about is not our country but a town in mexico. there are no operations targeting mr. guzman in costa rica. there's a small fishing town in mexico. the same state in mexico where el chapo was born. a spokesman for mexico agencies attorney general's office who is in charge of the manhunt to find el chapo tells cnn we're aware of the photo and looking into it. it was nearly two months ago that mexican authorities announced el chapo the world's most notorious drug trafficker escaped from mexico's prison using this tunnel. >> the tunnel stretches for more than a mile, carved out earth
here. this modified train tracks with that mini motorcycle. you see here electricity lines. very difficult to breath down here. a lot of dirt. dusts. this here for the ventilation system. tight, tight space down here. but for a man known as el chapo i'm sure he more than enough room to work with. >> reporter: el chapo has been on the run ever since with no signs of his whereabouts. if the twitter photo is of the drug lord the post is as bold and brazen as his escape. the drug kingpin's son mock authorities showing his father hiding in plain sight. >> now whether it was to brag, a mistake or to try off investigators there's no telling if the son intended to leave that location tag on the photo but in the past el chapo's sons both bragged about their lavish lifestyle.
so for many people looking at this photo it's not too far fetched to think it is the drug trafficker joaquin "el chapo" guzman. >> thank you so much. balancing religion and politics. it's a difficult issue that we've been discussing all week and we'll talk with the founder of the gay christian network about the clerk jailed in kentucky for refusing to handout marriage licenses. and the presidential candidate who says this confirms quote the criminalization of christianity in our country.
the debate over religion and politics rages in kentucky and across the country. as self-proclaimed christian kim davis sits in jail. she refused to issue marriage licenses for anyone after the supreme court's ruling legalizing same-sex marriage. so the question s-how can this be resolved and how can the country strike a balance here? we're joined by justin lee the founder of the gay christian network and author of "torn." justin, good to have you back. >> thanks so much for having me back. >> justin, you support same-sex marriage. you're a self-described devout evangelical. should kim davis be in jail right now? >> well, you know, my hope is
that she won't be. here's the thing. we live in a country with people with all kinds of different religious beliefs and for us to live together in the country, we have to -- i mean we've decided that freedom of religion is important to us. but that means for me to have freedom of religion i also need to give the freedom to practice your faith in a way that may be contrary to what i believe. so the challenge here is that miss davis is in a government role. so in her private role she has the ability to teach and preach and believe and advocate for what she thinks is right. i support that 100%. i run a an organization full of christians who disagree with each other on same-sex marriage. but when she's in her government role she can't step in and prevent other people from practicing their own faith which may include a marriage that she does not approve of.
>> let me ask you about the political element of this. we know that former arkansas candidate mike huckabee will be traveling to kentucky to visit miss davis on tuesday. there's a rally scheduled. there's also a petition on his website. and he said this through a statement. mike huckabee said having kim davis in federal custody removes all doubt of the criminalization of christianity in our country. aside from the content, what do you think, what's your assessment of the strategy here being used by the huckabee campaign? >> well, you know, gosh, i hate to hear somebody say something like criminalization of christianity. i think there are places around the world where christianity and other faiths are criminalized and the united states is not one of them. i think we need to be really, really careful about saying
things like that. the thing is as a christian i would not want to live in a country where government officials are allowed to prioritize their own religious beliefs over mine and infringe on my religious beliefs as a christian, as an evangelical. that's important to me as an evangelical and important to me as an american. so really that's not what's going on here. i think the all christian and nonchristian need to recognize that we live in a country with a lot of folks who we don't agree with and we got to be able to live together and work together without every time something happens that i don't agree with and i start complaining that i'm somehow being oppressed by that. >> justin lee, founder of the gay christian network, we thank you so much for joining us. we know that you heard from lifty's interview that miss davis is prefired be there for
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deflate gate talk to rest some people can, some people will he inler let it go. we can turn our attention the actual games. >> something special for you here when the patriots host the steelers. you've had a lot of fun lately. >> i've had a lot of fun. we have 30 minutes of nfl awesomeness four. cnn family coming up, we'll break down the top story lines heading in to the season. cool features. i got to go arizona to meet the arizona cardinals how they and other teams prepare for thain season. we'll also bring you top coaches and players including broncos quarterback paton manning who sat down with rachel nichols. here's a sneak peek of that interview. >> how much longer do you see yourself playing?
>> it's hard to say. i don't have -- i'm not able to predict the future. i'm looking forward to playing this season and then like always i think you have to kind of assess things at the end of the season. but i certainly hope to be playing next year as well. i still enjoy competing, and i think as long as you can compete you can help a team. everybody wants to keep doing it. if you can do it into your 40s all the better. right now i feel good. i want to keep playing as long as i do feel good as lone as i can still help the team. >> you know, of course, an e-mail was made public in which tom brady told his dad he would win that friendly rivalry between 2000 because he'll out last you by five or six years. what was your reaction? >> tom scene me a text. he apologized my name was brought up in this. no harm, no foul.
it was an unnecessary apology. we've had a good friendship and continue to have a good friendship long after we play. i really didn't give it a whole lot of attention. >> you can see more of rachel's interview on cnn football preview. that's tomorrow at 3:30 eastern right here on cnn. >> so cool. thank you for keeping us company today. make some great memories. >> much more ahead in cnn newsroom. let's turn it over to martin savidge. >> i'm in for fredricka whitfield who has the day off. newsroom starts now. investigators are examining what they call a significant piece of evidence at the scene where a police officer was shot and killed this week and they say that they are close to identifying the suspects. so far police in illinois aret